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5.13 Why We Fight (бывший спойлерный). VasquezE. (12/03/03 01:28:19)
lola: VasquezE(12/03/03 01:28:19) 5.13 Why We Fight (бывший спойлерный). После длительного затишья - куча новой информации. Clairel с ASSB дает краткое содержание сайдзов 13 серии и свои соображения на этот счет. http://www.voy.com/14810/133049110.html Date Posted: 00:11:10 12/03/03 Wed Author: Clairel Author Host/IP: adsl-66-138-40-106.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net / 66.138.40.106 Subject: Casting sides for 5.13 This seems like a really strange episode. I'm going to just summarize very briefly and leave out a lot of details. There are many, many roles being cast. Two are for vampires, one is for a WWII-era Nazi soldier named Heinrich, and the others are for WWII-era American navy men. Somehow Angel and Spike have ended up on a WWII-era German submarine which is crewed by Americans except for the one Nazi, Heinrich. Angel and Spike seem like their present-day selves, so it's as if the sub has gone through a time warp or has been frozen in time somehow. The two new vampire characters, a Russian vampire from the early 20th century named Nostroyev (he says he was Rasputin's lover), and an ancient ugly vampire (like the Master or Kakistos) named The Prince of Lies, are on the sub because the Nazis were collecting vampires to do experiments on them, cut into their brains, and control the vampires minds so that they could have an invincible vampire army. When Spike and Angel hear this they conclude this is why they are there--because the Nazis were trying to get the vampires with the baddest reps. Angel tries to intimidate Nostroyev and the Prince of Lies by introducing himself as Angelus. They've heard of Angelus and are somewhat impressed. There is a lot of talk among Angel, Spike, and the two other vampires about how they mustn't kill the human crew because only the humans know how to pilot the submarine. Nostroyev, the Prince of Lies, and for some reason Spike seem quite bloodthirsty and eager to kill all the humans. (I figure Spike is playing along with the other two in order to seem more impressive to them. Angel gives the other vamps pragmatic reasons for keeping the humans alive--he doesn't want the others to catch on that he's really a good guy.) At one point Spike claims it'll be easy to steer the sub, and he pushes some buttons at random, causing alarms to go off. Most of the sides take place on the submarine, but there's one short scene of an American from the sub, named Lawson, showing up in Angel's office. The bit of conversation is enigmatic and hard to make heads or tails of. There is also a short scene of Wesley looking at books and papers in his office, and finding Fred bound and gagged, tied to a chair. Angel and Spike (maybe just Angel) end up dusting one or two of the other vampires. When the American Navy men see Angel fight, they think he's a superhero like Captain America. That's about it. Spoilers in above post (sorry!), and also... -- Clairel, 00:35:22 12/03/03 Wed (adsl-66-138-40-106.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net/66.138.40.106) Before someone suggests this really could have happened to Angel and Bad Spike in the 1940s, I wanted to explain the reasons I think Spike and Angel are their present-day selves: (1) Lawson, an American from the sub, visits Angel's office in the present; (2) The Americans on the sub comment on Angel's strange haircut, which I figure is his present-day haircut, since he was probably a conformist in the 1940s and would have had a normal 1940s haircut back then; (3) If Spike and Angel had met on this submarine in the 1940s they would have remembered it, but I always thought they never met between 1900 China and 1997 Sunnydale; (4) When Spike and Angel hear from Heinrich about the Nazis' experiments to control vampires' minds by cutting into their brain, there is specific mention of Spike's angry reaction. I took that to mean he was thinking about his bad experience with the Initiative, and so it must be present-day Spike, not 1940s Spike. Постараюсь вечером перевести (или, если придет текст самих сайдзов, перевести его целиком) [off]ссылка на соответствующий топик оригинального форума Marstersverse[/off]
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